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		<title>Comment on Britain &#8211; the angry country by Lindsay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lindsay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 00:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here in NZ a British-born talkhost lately observed on the subject of &#039;pommy whingers&#039;,&quot; We Brits gave you rugby and you outdid us at it; we gave you cricket and you outdid us; and we gave you whining and you are now beating us at it.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here in NZ a British-born talkhost lately observed on the subject of &#8216;pommy whingers&#8217;,&#8221; We Brits gave you rugby and you outdid us at it; we gave you cricket and you outdid us; and we gave you whining and you are now beating us at it.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Britain &#8211; the angry country by John Harrison</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Harrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 09:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m old enough to remember the first credit cards arriving in the UK from America, followed quickly by our own. The advertising slogan for one of these, for me, sums up what has happened over the last 40 years or so: it was &quot;Takes the waiting out of wanting&quot;.
In those days, to get a mortgage one went to a Building Society of which there were hundreds - mostly locally based and thus knew the local housing market and the businesses in the area. Before they were kind enough (well, they tended to be rather paternalistic organisations) to lend you (never) more than 90% of the purchase price and never more than three times your pay. It helped enormously if you had been a regular saver with them for several years. You would also have to produce a letter of confirmation of your salary from your employer. Interestingly, the interest you paid was, if I remember correctly, about 0.25% higher than the interest you were paid as a saver. The emphasis was that if you wanted something, you saved for it. I believe the credit card boom changed all that. It is this attitude that &quot;I can have it all now&quot; - &quot;...because I&#039;m worth it...&quot; that has ultimately lead us into the belief that we can borrow our way to prosperity. The banks are no more culpable than we are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m old enough to remember the first credit cards arriving in the UK from America, followed quickly by our own. The advertising slogan for one of these, for me, sums up what has happened over the last 40 years or so: it was &#8220;Takes the waiting out of wanting&#8221;.<br />
In those days, to get a mortgage one went to a Building Society of which there were hundreds &#8211; mostly locally based and thus knew the local housing market and the businesses in the area. Before they were kind enough (well, they tended to be rather paternalistic organisations) to lend you (never) more than 90% of the purchase price and never more than three times your pay. It helped enormously if you had been a regular saver with them for several years. You would also have to produce a letter of confirmation of your salary from your employer. Interestingly, the interest you paid was, if I remember correctly, about 0.25% higher than the interest you were paid as a saver. The emphasis was that if you wanted something, you saved for it. I believe the credit card boom changed all that. It is this attitude that &#8220;I can have it all now&#8221; &#8211; &#8220;&#8230;because I&#8217;m worth it&#8230;&#8221; that has ultimately lead us into the belief that we can borrow our way to prosperity. The banks are no more culpable than we are.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The disabled, fraud and the alleged Thatcher conspiracy by Work, the Social Model, and the Welfare Reform Bill &#171; Los the Skald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Work, the Social Model, and the Welfare Reform Bill &#171; Los the Skald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 13:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] under Margret Thatcher (whether or not this was a deliberate policy or a side-effect is open to question, [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Extra education people pay for by Julian Dierkes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julian Dierkes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2012 17:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I would suggest although it may not be possible with current means to demonstrate that the public education has shortcomings, it is worth considering the possibility that the parents have some understanding of what is going on!&lt;/i&gt;

This is certainly very true, but it&#039;s also true, and in the case of the continuing boom of juku in Japan, very true, that parents are susceptible to unfounded beliefs about public policy just like everyone else. Once a widespread perception, for example of a decline in academic achievement, takes root, this perception has a much greater impact on decision-making at all levels, than any evidence supporting or contradicting this wide-spread perception might have.

&lt;i&gt;t seems to me that so-called supplementary – nearly always private – education is quite a big story around the world. Huge amounts are written by educational experts, many of who are in mainstream public education and they normally write about public education.&lt;/i&gt;

I am surprised to see that you think that there are huge amounts written on this topic. Within academia at least, there is very little that&#039;s written on this topic. My sense that this is in part because most of my fellow academics who work on schools don&#039;t consider juku to be part of their domain and thus ignore it. Further, scholars who focus on lifelong learning don&#039;t do research on kids, so they generally don&#039;t look at juku, tutoring services, etc. Add to this that in places like Japan, the existence of juku is still regarded as something unfortunate by most academics and policy makers (as it is interpreted to hint at failures in conventional schools) and thus not an issue that young researchers, until recently, were eager to pick up.

&lt;i&gt;But there is another world out there and parents in many places are voting for it with their wallets.&lt;/i&gt;

Absolutely, and that makes the apparent global growth of supplementary education an important phenomenon to study.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I would suggest although it may not be possible with current means to demonstrate that the public education has shortcomings, it is worth considering the possibility that the parents have some understanding of what is going on!</i></p>
<p>This is certainly very true, but it&#8217;s also true, and in the case of the continuing boom of juku in Japan, very true, that parents are susceptible to unfounded beliefs about public policy just like everyone else. Once a widespread perception, for example of a decline in academic achievement, takes root, this perception has a much greater impact on decision-making at all levels, than any evidence supporting or contradicting this wide-spread perception might have.</p>
<p><i>t seems to me that so-called supplementary – nearly always private – education is quite a big story around the world. Huge amounts are written by educational experts, many of who are in mainstream public education and they normally write about public education.</i></p>
<p>I am surprised to see that you think that there are huge amounts written on this topic. Within academia at least, there is very little that&#8217;s written on this topic. My sense that this is in part because most of my fellow academics who work on schools don&#8217;t consider juku to be part of their domain and thus ignore it. Further, scholars who focus on lifelong learning don&#8217;t do research on kids, so they generally don&#8217;t look at juku, tutoring services, etc. Add to this that in places like Japan, the existence of juku is still regarded as something unfortunate by most academics and policy makers (as it is interpreted to hint at failures in conventional schools) and thus not an issue that young researchers, until recently, were eager to pick up.</p>
<p><i>But there is another world out there and parents in many places are voting for it with their wallets.</i></p>
<p>Absolutely, and that makes the apparent global growth of supplementary education an important phenomenon to study.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Extra education people pay for by John Harrison</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Harrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2012 10:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One must always be careful about what is perceived as valuable in educational attainment (by which I mean academic exams and qualifications) and what is really useful and valuable. This will vary enormously from one pupil to another. There is an interesting article in the Times Educational Supplement for 6th January this year entitled &quot; &#039;Ordinary&#039; jobs hold their own against education and training&quot;. The evidence is that, at a time when the government wants to require all 17-year-olds to stay in education or training even if they are in work (next year) young people in jobs without training tend to earn as much and stay as employable as those on vocational courses at work.

We have entered a make-believe world in which all education has to be institutionalised - otherwise it isn&#039;t education. This is how the educational establishment extends its influence and control by picking up on any perceived educational shortcoming and obliging us - by law - to submit ourselves to the power of professional educators - even when they themselves have been responsible for the shortcoming (whether perceived or real) in the first place.

While typing this I&#039;m listening to a discussion on BBC Radio 4 (Women&#039;s Hour) in which a parent is expressing puzzlement at an OFSTED report on her child&#039;s school in which, as a reult of measuring different things from last time, the school, which had previously been rated &#039;good with outstanding features&#039; is now failing in spite of being judged to have improved since the last inspection.

The whole business of measuring academic prowess in pupils AND in measuring &#039;schools&#039; (how you can measure the &#039;performance&#039; an inanimate institution I&#039;ve never been able to understand) is so flawed and based on such appalling generalisations about what a particular young person ought to be able to do at a particular age - and on a particular day as to be absurd.

That is why I advocate that formal schooling should end at the age of 14 or so - when the pupil has passed a School Leaving Certificate - a certificate of competence to deal with the adult world NOT of academic prowess, and real education begins. [See &#039;Wot No School: how schools impede education&#039; by Jonathan Langdale and John Harrison].</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One must always be careful about what is perceived as valuable in educational attainment (by which I mean academic exams and qualifications) and what is really useful and valuable. This will vary enormously from one pupil to another. There is an interesting article in the Times Educational Supplement for 6th January this year entitled &#8221; &#8216;Ordinary&#8217; jobs hold their own against education and training&#8221;. The evidence is that, at a time when the government wants to require all 17-year-olds to stay in education or training even if they are in work (next year) young people in jobs without training tend to earn as much and stay as employable as those on vocational courses at work.</p>
<p>We have entered a make-believe world in which all education has to be institutionalised &#8211; otherwise it isn&#8217;t education. This is how the educational establishment extends its influence and control by picking up on any perceived educational shortcoming and obliging us &#8211; by law &#8211; to submit ourselves to the power of professional educators &#8211; even when they themselves have been responsible for the shortcoming (whether perceived or real) in the first place.</p>
<p>While typing this I&#8217;m listening to a discussion on BBC Radio 4 (Women&#8217;s Hour) in which a parent is expressing puzzlement at an OFSTED report on her child&#8217;s school in which, as a reult of measuring different things from last time, the school, which had previously been rated &#8216;good with outstanding features&#8217; is now failing in spite of being judged to have improved since the last inspection.</p>
<p>The whole business of measuring academic prowess in pupils AND in measuring &#8216;schools&#8217; (how you can measure the &#8216;performance&#8217; an inanimate institution I&#8217;ve never been able to understand) is so flawed and based on such appalling generalisations about what a particular young person ought to be able to do at a particular age &#8211; and on a particular day as to be absurd.</p>
<p>That is why I advocate that formal schooling should end at the age of 14 or so &#8211; when the pupil has passed a School Leaving Certificate &#8211; a certificate of competence to deal with the adult world NOT of academic prowess, and real education begins. [See 'Wot No School: how schools impede education' by Jonathan Langdale and John Harrison].</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Spirit Level &#8211; &#8220;trash social science&#8221; by David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jan 2012 20:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I once heard an interview about this.  The author said that if Britain had the same inequality level as Sweden then the murder rate would be lower.  The interview pointed out that we already have a lower murder rate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I once heard an interview about this.  The author said that if Britain had the same inequality level as Sweden then the murder rate would be lower.  The interview pointed out that we already have a lower murder rate.</p>
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		<title>Comment on About James Bartholomew by Orsaken till arbetsl&#246;shet &#228;r klarlagd!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Orsaken till arbetsl&#246;shet &#228;r klarlagd!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 06:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] beror på välfärden, åtminstone om man får tro James Bartholomew. I sin populära bok “The Welfare State we&#8217;re in” slår Bartholomew fast att [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Which countries have obedient pedestrians and why? by fjfjfj</title>
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		<dc:creator>fjfjfj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2011 20:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The sign in England does not tell you not to walk. It simply informs you that the light is not going to stop traffic for you at the moment. You may walk or you may not. So there is no obedience involved.

Read the highway code.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The sign in England does not tell you not to walk. It simply informs you that the light is not going to stop traffic for you at the moment. You may walk or you may not. So there is no obedience involved.</p>
<p>Read the highway code.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why Britain used its veto by Mike Evans</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 13:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice article.
And of course we also notice that this &#039;friendly&#039; club is only friendly to us whilst we&#039;re doing what we&#039;re told, and whilst we keep making our (large) net contributions.

I had to laugh when the French MEP threatened to look again at our Rebate because we hadn&#039;t shown enough &#039;solidarity&#039;. Fair enough! &#039;Bring it on&#039; chumly!! 
Perhaps he needs reminding that we&#039;re a net contributor - as opposed to his own begging bowl country?
What would you think of your own &#039;friends&#039; if they were only friendly (and showed &#039;solidarity&#039;) with you if you bought all the rounds in the pub each week and did what you were told?
Imagine how this little French guy would squeal if we stopped paying in and his country, and most of the other 26 in his &#039;solidarity club&#039; had to pay their own way instead of leeching off us?

Of course they&#039;ll want to keep us their their matey drinking club - even if it&#039;s just standing outside in the cold, listening at the door - so long as we pass our tenners through the window, so they can carry on drinking and having a nice evening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice article.<br />
And of course we also notice that this &#8216;friendly&#8217; club is only friendly to us whilst we&#8217;re doing what we&#8217;re told, and whilst we keep making our (large) net contributions.</p>
<p>I had to laugh when the French MEP threatened to look again at our Rebate because we hadn&#8217;t shown enough &#8216;solidarity&#8217;. Fair enough! &#8216;Bring it on&#8217; chumly!!<br />
Perhaps he needs reminding that we&#8217;re a net contributor &#8211; as opposed to his own begging bowl country?<br />
What would you think of your own &#8216;friends&#8217; if they were only friendly (and showed &#8216;solidarity&#8217;) with you if you bought all the rounds in the pub each week and did what you were told?<br />
Imagine how this little French guy would squeal if we stopped paying in and his country, and most of the other 26 in his &#8216;solidarity club&#8217; had to pay their own way instead of leeching off us?</p>
<p>Of course they&#8217;ll want to keep us their their matey drinking club &#8211; even if it&#8217;s just standing outside in the cold, listening at the door &#8211; so long as we pass our tenners through the window, so they can carry on drinking and having a nice evening.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why Britain used its veto by John Harrison</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Harrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2011 13:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent article James. I would add that the perception here in the UK is that, once rules have been made - whether we like them or not, we obey them, whereas other EU members ignore any rules that don&#039;t suit them. I&#039;m sure anyone can pick holes in this by quoting examples, but that doesn&#039;t alter the general view from the UK.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent article James. I would add that the perception here in the UK is that, once rules have been made &#8211; whether we like them or not, we obey them, whereas other EU members ignore any rules that don&#8217;t suit them. I&#8217;m sure anyone can pick holes in this by quoting examples, but that doesn&#8217;t alter the general view from the UK.</p>
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